>> it's interesting, jill. i mean, i didn't realize that back after the fall of the soviet union, back when the berlin wall fell, that jim baker, secretary of state at the time, actually met with gorbachev promising him there would not be nato forces in east germany. i just learned that earlier today which is really fascinating when you think of how far nato forces have moved beyond, obviously, east germany. >> right. putin has referred to that. putin feels -- >> referred to what the promise of gorbachev? >> what happened then, what was it back in '90 and i think putin feels he stuck his neck out for george bush after 9/11, that he offered, you know, roots for the influx of materials into afghanistan. and he would -- he thinks he got very little in return. in fact, i think he got -- he thinks he got a kick in the teeth. so, he's -- when mr. hadley talks about grievances, he's correct.